Oompa, stay strong...
Albert
i guess it only took three years, but they were hell in so many ways for both of us...she was not happy and lived in denial as much as possible...i was not happy and lived in a bottle as much as possible and glad that is over for me....but it was one of the saddest things i have ever experienced in my life....as was the visit to my parents before i told her....but yes...she said she kind of expected it...was thinking something was going to happen soon as she noticed i had more and more trouble saying i love you back to her when she said it on the phone at the end of goodbyes...and when i was leaving the house...i had noticed it for over a year and it was killing me..... i told her how sorry i was for changing so much again....and that she still walks on water...and is a great person and so pretty....and that she will be ok because she was happy single before me for many years and had all she needs for that again...her closeness to jehovah and her freinds in the congregation...she is very close to both and will be ok i hope...it was very surreal....very calm...very sad.
my bitterness and disdain for wt rules came through when talking to my parents and i was very open about how i feel as to their upcoming shunning of me, and how it feels to my son since he was just 17....and how the fear of losing them had kept me trying in my marriage for the past few years...dad was firm in his position of future action....mom said they will still always love me...and will still talk to me until i get dfd.....oh how this hurts.....dad said there is a name for people who only live for themselves and deny god but could not think of what it was....i told him i was not living just for myself...that i am a good person and there are values from him and the bible i hope i always have....i cry so hard as i type this and tell you just so you can know how painful this is....i told him i so loved the rule of treating others how you want to be treated and have always done that...even allowing myself to be wronged on so many occasions to keep peace....... he said that was a good rule....i agreed and said it was a big one too....and that while i could do it...treat him the way i would like to be treated...he would not be able to!.......left as i became emotional...big hug from mom, but i just barely put an arm on dad............oompa.
Oompa, stay strong...
Albert
... if she will prove me from the bible accuracy of 1914. and i stressed i really mean it.. we had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.. she said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core jw family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads wt for hours every week and have brought several people into jw cult...).
but ok, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.. to motivate her i told her:.
1) if you will be succesfull i will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering.
Sacolton: you are right, thats why they stick to 1914 so fanaticaly...
Chickpea: Yes, good start is to get them to look around to se they are not as unique as they think they are...
Aude Sapere: I got involved in local humanist organization, we became fosterparents of an orphant in Kenya and I bring there my son to help... I wish my wife will get actively involved there as well...
TJ: Great idea, I will get some Heffner magazines tomorrow to impress my wife
Albert
there's a lot.. one rule that is dumb is that a brother must wear a suit for a sunday public talk that he is giving.
any other time, the brother could wear a suit coat with a different pair of pants and not be counseled for it.. another dumb idea is that you cannot date a person unless you seriously might marry them.
if you're on a date, you were supposed to always have a chaperone and holding hands might not be allowed as well as sitting together.. what other dumb rules and ideas can you add?.
Bethel rule:
If brother and sister, who are not married together, are in a room alone, the door must be left open.
(But thats logical and reasonable - becouse as soon as they would close the door, they would immediately get involved in fornication...)
Albert
... if she will prove me from the bible accuracy of 1914. and i stressed i really mean it.. we had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.. she said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core jw family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads wt for hours every week and have brought several people into jw cult...).
but ok, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.. to motivate her i told her:.
1) if you will be succesfull i will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering.
Isaac- to prove GB is a good idea, i thin it will be the next bet...
Darth, Billy: Thanks for ideas...
Nathan: great plan, but I dont promise I have a stomach for that recently....
Albert
... if she will prove me from the bible accuracy of 1914. and i stressed i really mean it.. we had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.. she said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core jw family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads wt for hours every week and have brought several people into jw cult...).
but ok, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.. to motivate her i told her:.
1) if you will be succesfull i will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering.
Y knot:
I know its ridiculous, but these are the last barricades she holds ... She lost most of them by now... It just needs great deal of patience, because i tend to flood her with arguments and corner her....
But step by step its going and by now we talk openly about everything... I told her if she will seek help at elders, they will come over and DF on that evening, so she is (probably) not talking to anybody that we turned into an apostate family....
Albert
... if she will prove me from the bible accuracy of 1914. and i stressed i really mean it.. we had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.. she said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core jw family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads wt for hours every week and have brought several people into jw cult...).
but ok, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.. to motivate her i told her:.
1) if you will be succesfull i will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering.
Heaven: Sad, but true.
I told her: OK, what if Mormons will start publishing even better magazines, should we then go there?
But then I tell myself "Shut up men, dont corner her you evil apostate..."
Albert
... if she will prove me from the bible accuracy of 1914. and i stressed i really mean it.. we had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.. she said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core jw family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads wt for hours every week and have brought several people into jw cult...).
but ok, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.. to motivate her i told her:.
1) if you will be succesfull i will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering.
UPDATE:
OK, So I will not pioneer next month ...
We had the discussion last night, my wife got Insights, I got bunch of documents from old WT publications how 1914/607 have developed and my wife sincerely admitted, that its all interesting and 1914 probably isnt right... "Well after all its not really importatnt, because we do not preach 1914 t pepople´s door..."
And she concluded: "But I cant help myself it must be the truth, because nobody else makes such nice magazines..."
But I must say, she does great progress, today she admits most WT teachings/policies are wrong ... the last points to deal with are:
Well its not easy to deal with these points...
Albert
primate dave recently posted video of george carlin, i never heard of that guy, so i chcecked some his videos - he s really great... but i liked especially following suggestion in his video "teach your children to question".. i think it fits pefectly to families, where there are jw or other mind control influence.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ize4_jd2dow&feature=related.
albert.
Primate Dave recently posted video of George Carlin, I never heard of that guy, so I chcecked some his videos - he´s really great... but I liked especially following suggestion in his video "Teach your children to question".
I think it fits pefectly to families, where there are JW or other mind control influence...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izE4_Jd2dOw&feature=related
Albert
what image would you reccomend to jw to attract people better?.
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What image would you reccomend to JW to attract people better?
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i followed the little tree icons directions and have loaded pics before but doubt this came through as when i upload it to the little tree box only a red x appears even though my picture appears in the box..........help please if this does not post and i am in explorer not chrome.
outlaw i took this from my boat...and could just see you on board!.....oompa.
yep, just like i thought...no picture!
which one?